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cuttlefishCuller ♓ F-EF-ERI P-EIX--ES ([personal profile] necronomicod) wrote in [community profile] capeandcowl2012-09-21 09:13 pm

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So, I was kind of glubbing to myself about things, and then I started wondering! I heard that a bunch of the otter countries on this human planet don't want us anywhere near their shores, right? People are scared of our super nifty powers and what we can do!

Buuuuut... what about the ocean? Who owns the ocean??

Where I'm from, the ocean is owned by the ruling class and nobility, since that's where we live. But there's none of that here, right? So why don't we all just move out onto the ocean? If you can't swim, just build a boat or find an island!

Why hasn't anybubbly thought of this before? It's a great idea!

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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-22 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
[Moving out onto our own islands, it was a bad idea when Scott Summers said it, it's still a bad idea now.

But this is a young girl, and there's no need to be harsh about it.
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Well, one of the more prominent issues is being forced into a living situation we may find untenable in order to survive. It's a drastically different setting than most will be comfortable with, and the situation hasn't really reached a point that would make isolation necessary.

It would be better that we work with this world than to cut ourselves off from it.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-23 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, but part of working past them isn't giving up and moving out to the middle of the ocean! "All of the comforts" aren't completely viable in such a setting, anyway.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-23 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Every amenity that wouldn't be sustainable in such a setting. Which is a great many, when you find yourself suddenly lacking. From basic utilities to the supplies you've come to depend on! Such an island couldn't be fully sovereign while it still depended on another economy so entirely.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-23 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Usually by being better established and having actual exports to market to the rest of the world. This isn't pessimism, I'm talking from experience here. Island refuges aren't built overnight.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-23 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Superpowers don't make quite the difference you expect, and when they do it puts an undue obligation on very few people. The transient nature of our setting makes it unwise to depend so heavily on people who may be ported out tomorrow.

Even worse, it's a tactical nightmare! If our enemies have gained so much power as to push us out of the City, just imagine how easy it would be for them to strike if we're contained to one single island.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-24 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, but there are implications to openly attacking the City that would generally put most people off of the idea. If we create a sovereign state that is populated exclusively by imPorts, those implications will be removed. I'm not sure that our enemies have really progressed to that point just yet, but with Vulcanus still lurking out there, it certainly makes the risk worth addressing. They're not going to ignore a vulnerability like that.

The problem being, as I've said, I have seen this idea worked with before, and it was no more sound then, either.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-24 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Diplomacy is a better idea. That's exactly what I'm doing, actually.

Vulcanus is an organization that has found ways to replicate the abilities of of imPorts. Last year they kidnapped some from our number and created templates to graft onto native volunteers. [Guess which of the people in this conversation had such a template based off of her?] They've been finding ways to attack us politically, when not openly.

Put simply, they're the ones inflaming this problem.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-25 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
It works better if we remain integrated, believe me. When we separate ourselves, we can become a nebulous, distant potential threat for them, something they won't have to put a real face to. A personal air is vital to successful diplomacy!

There are people working on it, but how closely they're playing it to the chest is a little difficult to peek in on.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-27 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Usually ends up much less fun than you think, once you end up actually experiencing it.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-28 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but these things become more complicated with the more people you add to them. One or a handful may be done easily enough, but once you break past the hundreds it becomes less easily sustained.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-09-29 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
But those societies are already well established! The gestation and growth of such a society isn't so much of a foregone conclusion.

Also, notice that I didn't say "impossible", I'm only saying that the benefit won't be equal to the effort put in.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-10-01 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm telling you, I've seen it done, and it really isn't worth it! Building a society from scratch is very different today than it would have been when those others were formed.
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[personal profile] professorlionface 2012-10-02 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not talking about giving up. I'm saying that there are much more effective measures we can take that we are currently putting into practice.

Also, I have more fur than fins. [He smiles.] Cats have a historic dislike of water.